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Debate at Union College pits senatorial candidates Paul, Grayson
by Stephen Woodward
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Tuesday night’s debate at Union College in Barbourville, Ky., included Gurley L. Martin, Rand Paul, Jon J. Scribner, Trey Grayson and John Stephenson.
Tuesday night’s debate at Union College in Barbourville, Ky., included Gurley L. Martin, Rand Paul, Jon J. Scribner, Trey Grayson and John Stephenson.
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BARBOURVILLE, Ky. — Monday night’s debate at Union College in Barbourville pit two of the leading contenders in the Republican’s U.S. Senate primary race: Current Secretary of State Trey Grayson and eye surgeon Dr. Rand Paul.

The event was held at the Conway Boatman Chapel and about 200 people attended. The Chambers of Commerce for Bell, Knox, Laurel, and Southern Kentucky sponsored the event.

Questions posed from a selection of moderators representing regional media outlets ranged from coal to healthcare to the area drug problem.

Candidates included Gurley L. Martin, Rand Paul, Jon J. Scribner, Grayson, and John Stephenson.

Front-runners Grayson and Paul, though, squared off in the debate and on more than one occasion called each other out.

Grayson repeated a claim at the Monday evening debate that he has made in television attack ads — that Paul wants to release terrorists held at Guantanamo Bay back to their home countries. Paul again denied that claim, saying he wants the Cuban prison to remain open and to have the prisoners tried before military tribunals.

The editor of the Times-Tribune Samantha Swindler asked the candidates what role they thought mountaintop removal would play in the future of Appalachia, considering scientific reports about its environmental impact.

Paul strongly criticized the Environmental Protection Agency saying they were making their own laws.

"The EPA is out of control," said Paul. "Where do they get the authority to be a lawmaking body?"

Martin, who arrived late to the meeting citing his unfamiliarity of the college, took a firm stance for the controversial mining method: “Mountaintop removal is the business of the people who own the mountaintops. The federal government needs to butt out."

“We should take advantage of (coal) and use common sense regulations,” said Stephenson, but never addressed mountaintop removal specifically.

They also responded to a question from Josh Wilkey, owner of Middlesboro’s WFXY, regarding the recent passage of healthcare.

“It didn’t address the underlying problem of the costs that are spiraling out of control in healthcare,” said Grayson. He said that the costs of healthcare should be controlled by increasing competition between insurance companies.

“I would like to repeal it,” said Paul. “If that’s not possible, I would like to defund it. I call on Jack Conway our Attorney General to sue over its constitutionality.”

“This is the first time we will mandate purchasing something in our country,” continued Paul.

Paul echoed similar sentiments of Grayson to reduce healthcare costs. “We need more competition in healthcare,” Paul said.

Grayson has garnered endorsements from GOP leaders, including former Vice President Dick Cheney. Paul, a Bowling Green eye surgeon who campaigned as a political outsider, picked up key endorsements of his own, including former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and former Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes. Paul is the son of Texas Congressman Ron Paul, who unsuccessfully ran for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

Stephen Woodward is a Staff Writer for the Daily News. He may be contacted at swoodward@middlesborodailynews.com.Information from the Associated Press included in this article.
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rick_garr
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April 13, 2010
I believe the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Mr. Obama primarily for his changing of the tone of leadership coming from the USA to one of mature moderation and cooperation, as opposed to Bush's arrogant cowboy bullying. I would apologize for all the things Obama has correctly stated were our mistakes. The Iranians still hate us for the CIA's conduct in 1953. It was a mistake to overthrow their prime minister. Admitting you made a mistake is not correct conduct? Since when? As for the military, it didn't become a serious factor in our international status until McKinley's time, then TR's use of the Big Stick and the Great White Fleet. Before then, America was a beacon to the world because of its democracy and freedom, not its ability to impose death and destruction on other people and their countries. George Washington (remember him?) was extremely concerned that the military would become too powerful in this country, which is why he was always deferential to the inept Continental Congress. Today's Republicans, who scream that Obama must "listen to the commanders in the field," are completely un-American. Just ask George. I had one uncle who flew over Normandy on D-Day in a command aircraft, and another uncle who fought on the hell that was Iwo Jima, so I don't need patriotism lectures from simpletons, OK? Worshipper of the military, like you, Bloggy, got 58,000 of our kids and about 2 million Vietnamese killed. So tell us how proud you are, mister. Then go visit a few graves. As for buffoons, just go to the Congressional Register and see the list of names with an R after them.
BellBlogger
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April 12, 2010
I bet Ricky is a big fan of Obama's worldwide 'apologize for America' tour. Yep, the old USA is the worst thing that ever happened in the world in his eyes.

Well over 95% of the people ever born in the world have lived in societies with either a dictator or a monarch ruling over them. The fact that the US has managed to survive as long as it has is a testament to the US military.

To belittle and smear those who have given their lives for freedom is beneath contempt. I'll leave it at that. Uneducated buffoon.
rick_garr
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April 12, 2010
And, I forgot to mention, the German people, for the most part, gladly supported Hitler and the Nazis, especially the industrialists such as Krupp, Bayern, etc., who benefitted from the slave labor and government contracts. Now if you were a Jewish or homosexual German, you had major problems, but all the rest of the populace didn't need liberating from a government they wholly supported. By the way, did you know that H.W. Bush's father Prescott Bush made the family's fortune by being the registered agent in the USA for Nazi Germany? It's a fact. He almost was prosecuted for violations of the Trading With the Enemy Act. You can look it up.
rick_garr
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April 12, 2010
The slaves were freed by the Civil War? Then why did we need the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Sure, there was no lynching or Jim Crow black codes. None at all. If we freed the Germans, why did we have to conduct the Berlin airlift of 1948? What was that Berlin Wall all about? Hirohito saved his country from annihilation. Tojo and the warlords wanted to fight to the end. We didn't send many soldiers to Japan. Now you think there is freedom in Iraq and Afghanistan, all provided by the American military? Ignoramus is too kind a word for you, pal. And only morons need talking points. Maybe Ronald Reagan's little excursion into Grenada freed a few medical students, but that's about all I can think of, unless you mean situations in which UN peacekeepers get in the middle of a conflict and arrange a truce. Sure glad you didn't mention Vietnam ...
BellBlogger
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April 09, 2010
Wow. Hey Ricky boy, you've never taken a history class have you? Starting with the American Revolution, the US military has freed literally millions - slaves, the oppressed under tyrants like Hitler, emperors like Hirohito, despots like Saddam Hussein and the Taliban. The US military has provided freedom and security to millions and millions of people both at home and abroad. People like you disgust me - ignorant of history, economics, current events, you walk around repeating slogans and talking points without taking the time to do any research.
rick_garr
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April 09, 2010
It is the function of any nation's military apparatus to kill people. It's what they are trained to do. No, I don't carry signs. Soldiers have a job to do -- kill, when necessary. And if you think the military provides freedom anywhere, you live in Fantasyland, amigo.
BellBlogger
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April 09, 2010
The Pentagon budget is for killing people? Wow. I spent more than 10 years in uniform in order to kill people, not to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic? Not to provide freedom so morons could spout idiotic and uninformed talking points and criticize the ones who are providing the blanket of freedom they sleep under? Thanks for letting me know, those comments speak volumes of your hatred for this country and all that it stands for. Are you one of those carrying signs calling soldiers baby killers? Wouldn't surprise me a bit.
rick_garr
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April 09, 2010
Yes, that's an unfortunate case, Bloggy. Those kinds of things do happen. So do medical malpractice and product liability, but because these are caused by doctors and corporations (just like coal mine operators), you see no harm to the country. If you want to see a bureaucracy out of control, look at the Pentagon --its budget for 2010 is $955 billion, just to kill people. The budget for the new health care program is $95 billion a year, to keep people alive and healthy, just 10% of the Pentagon spending. Yet all the tea bag-heads went crazy over health care. You people live in Alice Wonderland, amigo. Time to get real.
BellBlogger
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April 09, 2010
Rick, my name is BellBlogger and I assure you that you do not know me - and I don't know who Bob Maden is either. I know you always try to re-direct debate when people make good points, nice try. I will keep my anonymity and let my arguments stand on their own merit.

Go to the link and read the case of this farmer's dealing with government bureaucracy and tell me that he really had a good means of recourse against the EPA:

http://palandowners.org/taking-a-stand-for-his-land/

There are literally thousands and thousands of these cases out there - of course you big government types love it when an individual or corporation gets hammered by the government, it's always a good thing to you guys.

Ron Paul is crazy - not nearly as radical and out of control as Pelosi, Reid or Obama, but crazy nonetheless. I have no idea about his son, I haven't even started researching candidates yet. I will say that he did make a good point about out of control federal bureaucracies though.
rick_garr
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April 08, 2010
Excellent retort there, Bloggy. Yes, that was an outlandishly wrongheaded decision -- which is probably why I associated it with Bush appointees. It's a horrible precedent that can take the law into manifestly undesirable conclusions, much in the manner that Griswold led to Roe v. Wade, not that I have any objection to the conclusions in Roe. Rand Paul is as big of a banana as his father. The EPA is nowhere near as powerful and vicious as the IRS, yet citizens and their lawyers go head to head with the IRS every day and come out paying pennies on the dollar. If you conservatives were one-tenth as afraid and hostile toward corporations as you are toward the federal government, this country would be a Nirvana. By the way, Blogster, what's your name? Bob Maden?
BellBlogger
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April 08, 2010
Rick, Rick, Rick...You liberals still suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome are funny...Sad, but funny. The 'Bush court' decided that the government could take property for private purposes? Shame on you - The 5-4 Supreme Court decision in Kelo vs City of New London was decided in 2005, before Bush had appointed anyone to the Supreme Court. The 5 justices who voted for this despicable decision were Stevens, Ginsburg, Breyer, Souter and Kennedy. In other words, the liberal justices decided that the government could take your property for virtually any reason they come up with. And if you want to believe that citizens have recourse against these federal agencies, then go ahead and put your rose colored glasses on and enjoy your day. Wait til the IRS comes to you and tells you that you owe say $20,000 and you have to provide documentary evidence that you DON'T owe it. Guilty unless you can prove yourself innocent and they can take your property, garnish your pay - basically whatever they want to do. Rand Paul was absolutely correct in questioning the power of the EPA.
rick_garr
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April 07, 2010
Congress establishes the basics of all agency rule-making, not the agency itself, whether it's the FCC, EPA or OSHA. It's done as the second stage of the legislative process, to enable the original legislation. In most cases, the accused has an appeal of some sort, which is how the coal companies avoid paying most of their huge fines for raping the countryside and their workforces. Anyone living in a community that once had the Middlesboro Tanning Co. should be overjoyed to know we have an EPA working for us. Besides, no one in America has unlimited power, not even the Supreme Court. Most bureaucrats are worried that citizens will write to their congressman or senator about them, not how to exercise more power. As for the taking of property, the Bush court decided that government could take it from you, even for a private purpose.
BellBlogger
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April 07, 2010
Come on Rick, you know what Rand Paul was saying and it's a valid question. These out-of-control federal agencies issue edicts and essentially laws with virtually no oversight, no control and no recourse for citizens. Let the EPA come in and designate your property as a sanctuary, confiscate it from you and let's see if you still sing their praises. Giving unlimited power to bureaucrats is not a good thing.
rick_garr
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April 07, 2010
If Mr. Paul doesn't know where the EPA gets its authority -- from the same place the IRS, FBI and Border Patrol do -- then he clearly is not competent to serve in the legislative branch. And a memo to Mr. Grayson: You might not want to publicize your endorsement by Dick Cheney. His approval ratings are in the single digits, which means his disapproval ratings exceed 90%.
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